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Previously, she managed 15 supplement brands, worked with professionals in the weight loss industry and completed coursework in nutrition at Stanford University. Do Not Send Email Notifications. Just started with slimfast and it seems to be working, lost 3 lbs in 2 weeks , but it may have had cause of irregularity, do not know if any one else has had the same problemTell us your thoughts about SlimFast.

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It is about 5 days now I started taking slim fast shake. But I am not sure it is because of this product. Considering you mentioned you experience severe gastric problems, you may want to reach out to a healthcare professional. Click above to read about the sample offer. I love this product and it is very frustrating not to be able to find it!!

I even went on line to purchase it and they were sold out! But last week they had it, but was only going to let me buy 2, when I was wanting 10 cans. I like the powder so I can mix it myself. Thank you for listening. Read all comments which find helpful thankyou and good luck to all xx. I will quit it inmmediately. Had to stop it. Never gonna take it again, If anyone is thinking about having it, think and search before doing it.

I have been a long time user of slim-fast shakes. Today I am quitting. The reason is inconvenience of the new plastic bottles. I use to have my shake on the run. Pop the top and drink it on the drive to work. Now I have to remove the cap, remove the aluminum foil and figure out a place to put them while I drink my shake. Looks like the price went up when you shifted to plastic as well.

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Its bad enough our gas and cost of living is going up, and now the one thing I felt I could afford to help me with my weight problem has gone up. I think you need to do some changes before people start to boycott your product…A concerned consumer. I agree with your comment. I will go to another brand. It is the price. Regular price is 4. I was wondering if Aldi had something like it. I just started the Slimfast diet and really like it, but was wondering if there was a cheaper version.

Thank you for letting us know. Slimfast worked for me. Hey , you said you lost 3 lbs the first week. I was wondering how much exercising your doing with the diet to get those results, and what exercises are you doing? Yes, I would throw them away. All Slim Fast shakes in a can from have been recalled. The powder and slim fast bars are ok. My brother said That I should throw this away as it had been recalled.

I read your article on the ingredients in slimfast. For five years I have been using slimfast once a day in the morning.

I usually mix a quart bottle in the night and it last about two days. During this five year period I had colitis of the stomach. Only recently did I hear that these problems can be caused by diet.

I decided to eliminate foods form my diet to see what could be causing the colitis. I got down to milk and slimfast. When I stopped drinking milk with slimfast my symptoms finally went away. Typically, people with salmonella infection have no symptoms. Abstract — Community composition within the human microbiome varies across individuals, but it remains unknown if this variation is sufficient to uniquely identify individuals within large populations or stable enough to identify them over time.

Our approach defined body site-specific metagenomic codes: Codes capturing strain variation in clade-specific marker genes were able to distinguish among s of individuals at an initial sampling time point.

The failure of a code to match its owner at a later time point was largely explained by the loss of specific microbial strains at current limits of detection and was only weakly associated with the length of the sampling interval.

This work demonstrates the feasibility of microbiome-based identifiability-a result with important ethical implications for microbiome study design. This is one of the reasons your 2. Also how many fresh milk consumers are there really? Oh, and did you know, in , there were over 16, confirmed cases of Salmonella infection that were traced back to pasteurized milk from a single dairy.

Major outbreaks can completely obliterate these kind of numbers. All good points, Mike. Still not sure exactly what a case-patient is—seems to have not been completely defined in the study.

They said they found only one patent with 2 cases. These are your units. Sometimes I think you like to through in a little balderdash just to though a person off. When my milk test results come back clean for all these bacterial possibilities, I drink it.

It also is mandatory to sterilize all your equipment after each use, sanitize the user well and use a test dip for avoidance of possible mastitis. I also gave up attempting hand milking so I can milk faster and get the milk into cooler faster at 35 degrees. I never air expose my milk, but let it go into tube into stainless container immediately so no dust, soil or air dust affect milk.

In fact, I just drank a fresh glass of chilled raw milk 10 minutes ago. A2A2 milk is very healthy for you. Linda, I have a 5 yr old son that has autism, and I have been looking everywhere for raw organic a2a2 milk that has sanitary standards like yours. Are you anywhere near us or do you have any advice on where I can go? However, I believe I got a parasite from incorporating raw Parmesan cheese in my diet.

I do blood smears every 3 months due to picking up a few Lyme-like infections a few years back and I keep a journal of every change I make in my diet and lifestyle habits. The two things I did differently that got me from parasite-free to parasite-infested were adding raw cheese and pork. I took both of them out and the infection went away after taking antimicrobials for a short period.

That said, I am still interested in raw milk. Would be cool to have your own happy cows. Having drunk raw milk for better than 10 years, and having read the literature, I know better than to believe all the imagined dangers. But properly cared for pastured cows are an entirely different matter! I like to point out to fellow raw milk aficionados that most milk in the US still comes from small farms and that there is no reason to believe that even the worst swill milk is or ever was as bad as the pasteurized milk we now see in our supermarkets.

Certainly raw grass fed A2 milk is healthier but there is no reason to think that raw CAFO milk is not still a super-food. The health problems associated with pasteurization showed up almost immediately in the form of rickets, osteoporosis and the like. Pasteurization was then and still is today pushed by the medical industry. This industry knew then and most likely still knows today that pasteurization destroys raw milk as a health-food.

In my 18 years and in two states we have had a number of raw milk related illnesses. All of these children were infected with E. The sources of illness in all cases were definitively traced to family dairies that sold raw milk. They faithfully utilized best practices and cared for their herds in pristine fashion.

The problem is that these organisms are endemic in this environment. It cannot be helped or prevented. They are not the same pathogens that existed when our parents and grandparents farmed.

Food borne illness can be prevented. So why not for dairy…. Recommending raw milk for infants and children is akin to suggesting undercooked chicken holds a small chance of illness. Not possible and you know it!!! Most cases of so called foodborne illness are never associated with any food and the ones that are can not be proven to be food related let alone proven to be caused by the food they are associated with. Your understanding of food borne illnesses is far from the truth and I hope that one day you are able to clear out your contact lenses and understand the facts of the matter.

Caveat Emptor [ Let the buyer beware. Our whole family in Malaysia drink raw milk from the time we were young. The milkman would come to our house everyday and deliver it and it taste wonderful. As we grew older, we switched to pasteurized milk as we heard a lot of health concerns and sanitary issues concerning the raw milk. Now I am an adult and earning my own money, i found the milkman and have got him to send to my house every two days.

We boil our milk and dont drink straight from it though. And the taste is just wonderful. Katherine, you have been tricked by the pharmaceutical industry. In the US people that know the value of raw milk are willing to pay 10 times as much for it.

Boiling your milk is a crime. If you were raised on raw milk you know there is no danger. Americans who drink raw milk hardly ever get diarrhea. No one is being accused of murder. This is all your article says:. Save your breath Gerry. Why not include more from the article, like this:. The death is being investigated by the coroner. The other four children aged between one and five became seriously ill in recent weeks following infections linked to the milk, but have since recovered.

Three of the children had haemolytic uraemic syndrome and two others had cryptosporidiosis, a parasitic infection that commonly presents as gastroenteritis with watery diarrhoea. Dr Lester said raw milk could contain dangerous bacteria and parasites and posed a heightened risk for young children, the elderly, pregnant women and people with underlying health problems.

Young mothers you know which one to believe…. Charles, Dr Lester never said the death was caused by raw milk. I quoted your very same quotes to make my point.

I see what you mean about saving my breath. No child today in America should die from diarrhea. The world is full of stupid and persistent RawMikes Gerry. When you offer them the facts they demand, they completely ignore them and then makes things up from the same evidence.

Just like those clowns who go on and on about events like Ferguson, MO while only the grand jury had the facts. Did you see anything in the story about child or hospital neglect Gerry? To do something so flagrantly dangerous to children because he thinks he sounds clever reminds me of the people of Westboro Baptist Church.

I long ago quit on him. To try and help parents get the facts about the dangers of raw milk to their children is a noble and good effort, so hang tough. By now there are tons of useful links within this discussion—a tribute to the author of the piece.

The world is full of evil trolls Gerry. When you offer them the facts they demand, they completely ignore them and change the subject. Using their own data against them is unique to rawmilkmike. Did you see anything in the story about child or hospital Gerry? Just like those reporter clowns in the press going on and on about events like Ferguson, MO without any facts. Like white people in masks breaking windows and outside provocateurs throwing bricks and smoke bombs at police without being arrested.

The only people arrested in Ferguson were journalists and a handful of out of state looter. To deny children healthy food because he thinks he sounds clever reminds me of the people of Westboro Baptist Church. To try and help parents get the facts about the dangers of feeding pasteurized milk to their children is a noble and good effort, so take another look at the data or lack there of.

It is a personal choice to drink raw milk, however, given the increased risk to die for a slight increase in vitamins: Pasteurized milk is heated for a short time, hot enough to kill potentially deadly bacteria. Google it as I did: Pasteurization only slightly decreases some minerals found in milk. Note it does this slightly. I found this reference on this very site that validates this information:.

Drinking unpasteurized milk significantly increases your chances of becoming very ill for a slight increase in already minimal mineral quantities. A human diet does not rely on milk to get the affected minerals into your diet. CommonSenseBen, it sometimes takes more than just common sense.

Kids who drink raw milk have less asthma, allergies Reuters http: Pasteurization only slightly decreases some nutrients found on the label of a carton of milk. The CDC has never documented a death from raw drinking milk. Ben, you are quoting statements not facts. Pasteurized milk is heated for a short time, hot enough to destroy enzymes that oxidized milk fat after homogenization.

Pasteurization is not sterilization. Your so called foodborne pathogens are everywhere. They are in us on us and on everything we touch. Raw milk is the least likely place to look for them. These bacteria are said to cause diarrhea in some people some of the time. Raw milk can be a complete human diet. Unpasteurized milk is seasonal and only occasionally tastes better.

Sometimes it tastes worse. Your hospitalizations are associated with raw milk. They are not caused by raw milk. Milk is not just minerals. Your statistical analysis is hilarious! After all your pandering and misdirection; the fact remains that you are 13 times more likely to be hospitalized by raw milk. Even without knowing the facts, nobody is going to live on milk, not if they want to live healthily. That said, if you believe the twin towers was a government conspiracy; if you believe that cansema works, I recommend to you the drinking of raw milk.

CommonSenseBen, These statistics are not mutually exclusive. In America a government agency like the CDC works for the people and the people are make up of various producers and consumers. These entities will always be at odds. At least your honest. Because people who drink raw milk would have the same percentage of contracting other food borne illnesses as the rest of the population in ADDITION to illness from drinking raw milk.

Therefore raw milk drinkers have an even higher likelihood of contracting food borne illnesses. Many of these so called pathogens are part of our bodies normal flora. The Government statistics I quoted show that raw milk prevents illness. For the most part driving and flying is a necessity and you would be severely inconvenienced by not doing so. John, no one lives for ever. Being young or old poses many risks. Having a baby poses risk of complication. Entering a hospital for any reason poses risk of infection or medical mistake.

Since when is life about reducing risk and inconvenience? Some of our most dangerous and inconvenient activities involve having fun. So then, is life about increasing risk? How does fun come into play? Drinking raw milk as opposed to Pasteurized milk is more fun?

For the most part driving and flying is NOT a necessity and you would be severely inconvenienced by not eating. Listen John, you will get nowhere with Mike. A foolish person, he bashes the CDC and its data in one post and then relies on their data to support another. Just a milk-covered mouth and a meow is all you get—everything else is nonsense. Sounds like you have a problem with data. Yes, but from what? Infant mortality has been very high in this country.

Life expectancy for men is You should read them more carefully. Thank you for not wasting anymore of my time. My brother is a dairy farmer in NZ. I took RAW milk from his farm to make chocolate milks. I got campylobacter and if I was young 75 I would have died!!! Raw milk is not worth the risk people. Take it from me. I was extremely ill for 4 weeks. I was 11 stone and went down to 7 vomiting, diarrhoea, hallucinations, sweats etc etc.

Worst month of my life. Stool samples were finally taken, farm was the origin, because we took RAW milk from it. Not supposed to as all NZ dairy products are pasteurised. Babies and elderly will die from unpasteurised milk, be warned…FDA know what they are talking about…. I was 21 years of age and healthy enough to fight the massive infection that took hold of my entire body. You could have gotten it anywhere or it could have been in your body all along.

This is what you said: And Prince Charles has never undressed himself and his shoelaces are ironed for him. There are those who believe healthy food is only for the rich. Are you one of those people Gary? I thought I was still talking to John.

How would you come to that conclusion? I am pointing out the absurdity of saying if the royals do it, it must be good. What do you think? I would be notifying the dairy regulatory body in NZ if I were you. Dairy farms, especially ones that are producing what is regarded as a higher quality product, should be properly managed.

There are strict guidelines a dairy farmer has to follow when taking care of the cows and the milk once extracted, all the way to the vat…. I grew up on a dairy farm and I know many others who did and there are hundreds of thousands of kids grow up on cows milk before it reaches any stage of pasteurizing. Is there a dairy regulatory body in NZ that cares about the quality of raw drinking milk? What people need to realize is milk is very sensitive to sunlight. Leave your milk out on the bench with sun shining on it and it will degrade very quickly.

The only real advantage of having milk pasteurized and homogenized is a longer shelf life which benefits the manufacturer and delivery process. All the goodness is taken out at that point.

This allows for greater profit and less waste so the powdered milk and other products are made from what has been taken from the milk……. Lance, you are right on the money. Although I have heard that the only real advantage of having milk pasteurized is that it prevents butter fat from going rancid oxidize within hours of being homogenized.

Do you see these hundreds of tankers coming into the large city milk providers plants in cities. Only a few come in with the concentrated milk product. Smaller collection points in rural centers do the separation process and then send on the concentrated parts to the varying process plants, eg: Shop milk is not really milk at all……….

Homogenised pasteurised milk from any supermarket goes bad much quicker. He told me this:. The raw milk I do sell Organic Pastures has raw unpasteurized organic milk that is safe. So, when trying to determine which is healthier, compare safe brands of each. Fact is, pasteurized milk gives me hay fever, but non-pasteurized milk does not. Most raw milk in California is sold farm direct from very small high quality operations.

Organic Pastures was blamed for an outbreak once and was shut down but as usual no contamination was ever found. Nothing can stop the health department from blaming raw milk or any food for cases of diarrhea and there will never be a shortage of cases. The average America gets diarrhea 4 times a year.

Hey, raw milk cured my hay fever to. Raw milk has been the norm in India since ages. At home in India , we had a milkman who delivered raw milk every morning and my mom would boil the milk for 10 minutes. The milk creates a thick cream layer on top which was collected and accumulated to make butter and saturated butter Ghee from it later. When i moved to Canada the distance between my food and the food provider expanded to the extent I dont know where my milk comes from , which farm or factory, I dont know which farms the vegetables come from.

Drinking raw milk is a personal choice but in my opinion people in north america who have been cushioned against bacteria with modern age medicines may not have natural immunity for raw milk consumption. Homogenization is worse than pasteurization but boiling milk for ten minutes is worse than pasteurization. People in the city are exposed to more of these so called food-borne pathogens that cows on the farm.

Antibiotics do not protect us from these bacteria. Do all Indians boil their milk? We all generally boil milk first and then drink it. Its a common practice in India. And as far I know, there has been not a single case of any side effect from boiling the milk. And because of the fact that even today in small town people buy milk from milkman they always prefer to boil it first and then use it.

It seems you start your reasoning with data from pasteurized dairy products, i. I am a cheese maker. Originally, I got on this site to get information about using raw milk in cheese making. Raw milk cheese was the norm for me when I lived in England and it still is, in many parts of Europe.

I got what I set out to get and thank those whose posts helped me to clear things up. But, to be honest, the bickering and mindless opinions are things I can do without. Above commenter is correct. The benefits you receive from raw vs pasteurized milk is simply not worth the risk. Illnesses from dairy are low because they are Pasteurized! If it was widespread that americans consumed raw dairy products that number would go way up. And for what purpose?

The above commenter is either selling very low quality processed foods or very expensive drugs. J is obviously not familiar with the benefits of raw milk. Raw milk has demonstrated a negative risk factor. Illness from pasteurized dairy has proven to be extremely high even before you consider the so called food-borne illnesses associated with it. I was on board with most of what you were saying yeah right, American diet is so nutritious…LOL.

You lost me when you said if everyone drank raw milk doctors would be out of work. Are you saying raw milk is not a healthy food? Your criticism brings to mind It is hogwash, the industrial farming and bags of antibiotics that are causing problems. Did you also post and say ouch about: All foodborne illness outbreaks are mire mathematical associations.

They are not base on empirical evidence. The author himself provides the data that shows that raw milk is extremely dangerous. However, earlier he says that This means, according to his data, there are , actual illnesses each year caused by unpasteurized milk. Raw milk may be preventing 1.

Or in other words: So when he said CDC estimates that According to CDC data, and their estimation that According to CDC data there are actually 1. Mike, Could you please list the source for your fact stating 1. Charles, Nobody is convinced by a single article you posted above, except maybe the feeble minded and gullible. Which I guess is what you and those of your ilk are counting on. They are rubbish, misguided or purposeful propaganda put out by big Diary and formula manufactures.

Where is your bs detector? But keep trying to rob woman of the healthful benefits of raw diary and steer them in the direction of denatured and dangerous boiled ruined milk and garbage milkshake like baby formula. You are actually harming a lot of woman and children with your posts. Just stop and find a real worthwhile cause to put all your energy behind.

You are so obstinate. I bet your would rather give up a limb than let go of your dogma on raw milk for babies and pregnant women. You are so entrenched in your position that you scour the Internet tirelessly looking for any source or person who agrees with you and then post your misguided pseudo science articles or outright fabricated lies. Charles, just because you read it on the Internet does not make it true. Where is your BS detector and your street smarts!

Sweet Mellisa, if you opt to concoct raw milk formula mixtures for your baby, that is your business. Here are a few web sites for mothers considering options that provide a little food for thought. Ladies, please do your research before you put an ideology before common sense. Everyone knows raw breast milk is best unless the mother is vegan or on crack. We are talking about raw cows milk vs powdered baby formula. Food safety attorney Bill Marler saw an opportunity to pull together a team of journalists — Food Safety News.

The International Food Information Council — Our vision is a global environment where credible science drives food policy and consumer choice. I am a British cheese maker living in Japan. I started making cheese at home with store bought pasteurised homogenised milk.

I found that it is possible to make cheese from store bought milk and it can even taste quite good. Then I got hold of raw full cream milk, pasteurised it and made cheese. Encouraged by this and other articles on raw milk, I decided to make a batch with milk straight from the cows.

Everything went so fast. With MUCH less culture, the pH dropped very quickly and with much less rennet and no calcium chloride at all, I got a great set and the taste 60 days later brought tears to my eyes. This is the cheese I used to eat when I was a child in England, 50 years ago. Do you drink raw milk? What do you think of the 60 day rule in the US.? Does the taste of cheese improve with age? Does it get sharper with age? Do you think some people could prefer the taste of a younger cheese?

When does it become cheese? Very rarely, but then I only rarely drink milk. I prefer soy or almond milk for drinking. I do, however, make cheese with raw milk, as I wrote above. Well, it depends what cheese it is. Hard cheeses usually do, but keeping them for longer than six months requires careful attention to temperature and humidity. I think the sharpness is more to do with the culture used and the time taken for incubation.

There are also different types of sharpness. Cheddar made with raw milk has a special kind of sharpness that is truly wonderful. Strong, but not sour. Not unlike a good cup of tea, brewed for just the right amount of time with milk and no sugar. Each person has their own taste. Our ricotta made with full cream fresh milk is to die for! This does not age. As soon as you separate the curds from the whey. Some cheeses can be eaten as soon as they are made and others, like Parmesan, are aged two or more years.

Why do you prefer soy or almond milk for drinking? Most of us need some sort of health food to stay healthy. I personally avoid synthetic versions of Vitamin A like the plague. Vitamin D2 is a form of the wonder vitamin that you should take great pains to avoid. By comparison, Vitamin D3 is much less toxic and requires an enormous or even an accidental dose to produce any toxic effect. Vitamin D2 is manufactured industrially by irradiating yeast.

It is dangerous for D2 to be added to any food product particularly if this product would be given to children, where toxicity symptoms would appear at much lower dosages. None of the store brands of cartoned coconut milk or almond milk were free of these dangerous and synthetic versions of the fat soluble vitamins! Notice also that carrageenan is present in 2 of the 3 products as well! Andrew Weil has been telling people to avoid carrageenan since Carrageenan is so toxic and inflaming to the human digestive system that this food additive is formally classified by the International Agency for Research on Cancer as a potential human carcinogen.

There have been 10 deaths associated with pasteurized dairy products in the last decade. The 2 deaths you may be thinking of were associated with cheese not the drinking of raw fluid milk. A must read article on the subject of raw milk safety. Good deprogramming information for the brainwashed. I will add though, that I am not paid by nor associated with anybody. Everything I said came from far more authoritative sources than myself, and I cite them!

Mark, you clearly have a horse in this race, a great big one—you own one among the largest raw milk dairies in the country. After researching you and Organic Pastures, it looks like government recalls are a regular part of your operations. Here is a Mother Jones article as one example, but there are plenty others. And to say we should dismiss the weight of information based on the CDC admitting a mistake is ridiculous. Given your interests, your opinion is little more than an advertisement.

Cary, regarding me being a tool, see above. Otherwise, offer something constructive to a debate. My goal has been to raise enough awareness so mothers reading here, wondering if they should give their children raw milk—and yes, raw milk cheese—will research the subject more carefully. If I have done that for just one of them, I can say I did what I set out to do, all by my lonesome. A persons authority does not give them credibility when they are a competitor.

When I buy farm direct I compete with the distributor, when I buy raw that hurts the processor and so on. As you say, these people have a horse in this race. It makes no sense to site an accusation from a competitor when their own data does not support their position. When I point this out they promptly change the subject or start name calling.

The anti-raw milk argument convects itself. The fact that you call your sources authoritative suggests that you have no facts. Charles, we need more people like you in this world. I respect your research and evidence-based information. Charles, You are not responding to any of the points that I have made. Changing the subject to cheese when we are talking about the safety of raw milk most certainly is a red herring.

Talk about pregnant women being prone to diarrhea of unknown origin when we are talking about diarrhea associated with raw milk is also a red herring. The pasteurization of milk is the subject so how is that a red herring? The definition of raw milk is unpasteurized milk.

We are not talking about raw milk products. Pasteurized milk is a raw milk product. You and I both know all they mean is that these people may have consumed raw milk within the last 3 months and that is all that they mean.

Thanks for your honesty. My point is that raw milk has a negative risk factor. I challenged the CDC to provide me any evidence of death by raw milk since Any evidence of listeria monocytogenes causing illness from raw milk. Any evidence of pregnancy being effected by raw milk since Under FOIA, they were not able to provide any evidence as requested.

In fact they denied any listeria associated with raw milk. No deaths from raw milk. All listeria was associated with processed milk…that is right, the processors blame raw milk conveniently when they screw up pasteurization. When considering raw milk safety, also consider that different types bacteria have been found in human breast milk including many of the same bad bugs also found in cows raw milk! Babies over 6 months of age are perhaps the greatest age group to gain the greatest value from raw milk.

When we speak of raw milk, we mean tested, low risk raw milk that is intended for human consumption. Not any old raw milk intended for pasteurization. The FDA and processors have intentionally confused the two kinds of raw milk. To see the best standards in the world and the test data to back it up…see http: Dang Mike, I just posted a list of organizations who have answered your question, along with quotes and I posted a link to an excellent article that includes more links, etc.

You cannot reasonably discuss something if you completely ignore evidence. If I was an objective individual which I am and researched the information you and Mark provided and compared them with the body of evidence easily found, there is no way I would give my child raw milk…no way.

Why take such a foolish risk? There is no evidence making its potential benefits outweigh its risks. From a CDC report: From through , outbreaks due to consumption of raw milk or raw milk products were reported to CDC. These resulted in 2, illnesses, hospitalizations, and 2 deaths. Most of these illnesses were caused by Escherichia coli, Campylobacter, Salmonella, or Listeria. Charles, Thank you for your response. If you look closely at your evidence you will see it actually supports my argument.

It does not support yours. I am a raw milk consumer not a producer. I grew up on pasteurized milk so I know the difference. I have no agenda other than the health of our families. Who do you work for? The cause can not be proven. In , there were over 16, confirmed cases of Salmonella infection that were traced back to pasteurized milk from a single dairy. They are in us, on us, and on almost everything we touch. Since when is an 18 year old a child?

Actually adults get diarrhea more often than children. The national average for non-raw milk consumers is 9 times that. No mike, a red herring is a distraction method to divert a discussion from a relevant issue. In this case, the issue is whether it is safe to give children and pregnant women raw milk. I simply say the preponderance of evidence, some of which I cite or link to or list more authoritative sources saying it, is convincing enough to believe it is not, and that I believe to argue otherwise, without more convincing evidence, is irresponsible, since those most affected are unable to argue for themselves children, whether born or unborn.

You offer genuine red herrings aplenty. Like, rain is associated with clouds, etc. You lost me on the bacteria thing. None of the other three live anywhere inside our digestive systems as far as I know. But it is when they get in the guts of people is when they become pathogens. You need to understand that point is the crux of the whole matter. Since you asked, I am a retired medical social worker and occasional freelance writer.

I used to love raw milk as a kid, and never got sick nor knew anybody who did. I simply say there is overwhelming evidence—far beyond just from the CDC—that it is not safe to give it to young or unborn children. Charles, I apologize for the misprint. Charles, no one avoids death or diarrhea. Has the CDC checked to see how often raw milk consumers get diarrhea? There is no evidence that raw milk increases that risk.

In making ricotta, you heat the whey to 75C, add salt and milk and continue heating to 85C. ALL ricotta is made from pasteurised milk. But that is very old history. Recent CDC data holds a different truth. There have been about 30 illnesses per year in the USA since and zero deaths from fluid raw milk!! As far as listeria is concerned….

That is right…listeria come from processed milk, not raw milk. That means that raw milk is not a risk for pregnancy. In fact, one huge EU study showed that pregnant moms provided a very strong gift as shown by cord blood anti bodies of their newborns when they drank raw milk during pregnancy.

The risk is extremely low…. Here a few snippets from different bulletins just in the last couple of months:. While it is possible to get foodborne illnesses from many different foods, raw milk is one of the riskiest of all.

Less commonly, it can mean kidney failure, paralysis, chronic disorders, and even death. For example, a person can develop severe or even life-threatening diseases, such as Guillain-Barré syndrome, which can cause paralysis, and hemolytic uremic syndrome, which can result in kidney failure and stroke. A wide variety of germs that are sometimes found in raw milk, can make people sick, including bacteria e.

But, it is important to remember that healthy people of any age can get very sick or even die if they drink raw milk contaminated with harmful germs. Raw milk can cause serious infections. Raw milk and raw milk products such as cheeses and yogurts made with raw milk can be contaminated with bacteria that can cause serious illness, hospitalization, or death. In addition, CDC reported that unpasteurized milk is times more likely to cause foodborne illness and results in 13 times more hospitalizations than illnesses involving pasteurized dairy products.

A number of regulatory, educational, and public health organizations have issued position papers regarding the dangers associated with the consumption of raw milk. This is a mere sliver of what I mean by credible information and sources Mark. Not an obviously biased source as the rawmilkinstitute.

If you can seriously continue to blithely speak of the safety of raw milk to certain populations in spite of the weight of so much learned opposition, then you are simply being irresponsible. Charles how come I drank raw milk through all of my eight pregnancies and gave my children only raw milk and I or they never got sick?

How come none of my friends who did the same never became sick? Because the raw milk scare thing is bull crap. What happens with these government agencies is they just all jump one agencies bandwagon.

One agency usually bought off by some big corporate diary concern. They are too lazy. If you think you can trust these compromised govt agencies, you are a fool. Someday, perhaps when the hearts of men are about the common good and not greed, we will be able to trust the govt really corporate run agencies. Really, you are really showing your ignorance. And I know you are going to do your your brick wall impersonation…so go right ahead.

In response to your comments: I grew up drinking raw milk and so did many of my relatives, with nary a problem I can recall. But would I use that information to argue the safety of raw milk for certain populations? No, I would not. But there are hundreds of such reports from agencies and organizations worldwide. To be fair, there are notable exceptions, like France. Primarily because they agree with the vast majority of others. That was not my brick wall imitation though Cary, so here it goes…hurry…it hurts…ah you missed it!

A mother of six earns tons of respect, and you definitely have mine. Also Roger, 1 in 6 Americans come down with a foodborne illness every year. This is because of articles like this. There is a reason it is illegal to sell unpasteurized milk. Not everything is a conspiracy. Coli, dysentery and all the results have come back negative, or not detected. If reading makes you sick maybe you need to start drinking raw milk. It is not illegal to sell unpasteurized milk. That would be absurd.

Actually everything is a conspiracy. Especially when money is involved. You are painfully uninformed. Please read the article above and then all the comments and then see if you still see things the same way. Failure to heat milk to kill harmful pathogens is playing with fire.

Think about what your suggesting to people, your suggesting something that could ruin their life. There is no significant deteriorization of nutrients caused by heating milk to kill pathogens. And in many countries where regulations are lax or unenforced, consumers often boil it, especially in Asia. There is no conspiracy on behalf of the dairy industry. One can believe a few people posting here or research why so many international regulations exist. People can make all the arguments they want—mostly raw milk producers and consumers—but I would not give it to a child or expecting mother.

I have no horse in this race and drank it all the time in my childhood. Charles, I suggest you read the new issue of Time magazine that has an article about Butter on the cover. The new research shows that science has been wrong about butter, whole milk, saturated fats being the cause of obesity and heart disease.

The usda advocates for the ag industry It turns out the USDA recommendations were completely flawed and bad science. It turns out sugar and cooked carbs are the major cause of obesity, heart disease, and diabetes etc.

Read the article and get back to me. Hi Cary, my argument is only as complicated as you want to make it and has nothing to do with whether the FDA missed the mark or whether butter and milk are unhealthy or not, nor do I argue that the FDA, et al are infallible.

My argument all along has been that enough information exists from governmental and health organizations in other countries, for example to support caution giving raw milk products to pregnant women and children. Trust me, I am careful with sources, but your reliance on Time Magazine as a primary source indicates you are not.

Charles, I have been watching you debate the whole forum here and I think it is safe to say. Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. Not quite brick Cary, but resistant to bad arguments. International research is abundant and there is a reason pasteurization is considered one of the major health advancements in history.

Visit any cemetery over years old and you will see them filled with the graves of young children. Infectious disease was the major killer of children and adults , and many of those pathogens came from water and foods including milk. The average American get diarrhea 4 times a year. Perhaps avoiding food-borne illnesses, hospitalization and death…oh yeah, and diarrhea for children and pregnant women. My neice almost died and suffers from a disease she will have for the rest of her life due to drinking raw milk from a licensed raw milk dairy.

I think the latest fads about health food are getting down right scary. There has been well over years of study on the subject of making food safe to eat. Pasteurization was developed to solve a problem and I think it is nieve to believe that thousands of years of food development is suddenly wrong and we should go to eating everything raw again.

I learned about microorganisms in 6th grade science class and the importance cooking food. Some say that we need to be exposed to more microorganisms so that our bodies learn to resist them.

At some level this must certainly be true. The problem is that with products like unpasteurized milk you cannot control which microorganisms your exposed to. It could be anything from yeast to ecoli.

TB is not a significant raw milk risk. A state of CA veterinarian said once, a mother always protects her young. What this means is this: When a mother has TB it is the antiboidies to TB that are shared with her offspring…not generally the actual TB itself. Now, if the TB infection is in the udder, the TB obviously gets into the milk, but if the TB is some place else in the cow, like the lungs, then it is the antibodies that are found in the raw milk and not the actual TB itself.

That is why cows are an excellent animal to be used for immune milk. Immune milk has been shown to be a very effective and curative method to heal diseases in man.

To make immune milk, just inject the cow with the infection found in man during the dry period just prior to calving. When the calf is born the colostrum will carry the antibody to the human infection that was shared with the cow. Other countries arround the world like Germany and Russia use this therapy. The FDA will jail a farmer for playing doctor like this. I fact there have been several dairy farmers prosecuted for providing immune milk to consumers.

According to the FDA this makes the farmer a drug company. Its like Cancer, no one will find a cure for cancer sadly to say the drug industry makes to much money providing medications chemo therapy etc and doctors and researchers would all lose their jobs because research wouldnt be needed anymore a cure was found.

I also believe a cure for the common cold will never happen, it it did just look at the empty shelves at your local drug store which are stocked with cold medications liquids pills capsules rubs etc, imagine the billions the manufactuing companies would lose when their products no longer wanted or needed?? Society always needs its bogeyman so we cant donate and so thes e researchers have a job, just saying.

I like raw goats milk quite a bit but, lately I have been thinking about toxoplasmosis risks. I know goats can get it if cats that are infected with the parasite are kept near by. You give me food for thought and make me want to know more. Civil debate is an excellent way to learn something. An example of a ridiculous argument almost as bad as Mark S.

What in the world does that have to do with whether raw milk is safe for children and pregnant women? There are creeps throughout society…. Do you understand the difference? To illustrate, you can buy all the liquor you want, and even though its not good for you that is your business. Yes Mary, that is a curiosity that only the webmaster can solve. I agree…I am biased, I am in love with high quality raw milk…I love the challenge of the pioneering experience and most of all I love the hugs I get from deeply appreciative moms that provide OPDC raw milk to their kids.

When they give birth their cord blood reflects an entirely different anti body profile and this is a gift to their babies that lasts a lifetime!!! Both of you have the science very wrong.

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